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    Gun laws really work well---yeah right!

    Chicago police say 7 dead, 6 wounded in gun violence in 1 day

    Published January 27, 2013
    Associated Press

    CHICAGO – Chicago authorities say seven people were killed and six wounded in gun violence in one day.


    Among those killed Saturday was a 34-year-old man whose mother had already lost her three other children to shootings. Police say Ronnie Chambers, who was his mother's youngest child, was shot in the head while sitting in a car.


    Police say two separate double-homicide shootings also occurred Saturday about 12 hours apart.
    In one, a 16-year-old boy and a 32-year-old man were killed.


    In another, two men were shot at a hamburger stand on the city's South Side. Police say the victims were roommates in their 40s.
    Chicago's homicide count eclipsed 500 last year for the first time since 2008. Chicago's homicide rate was almost double in the early 1990s, averaging around 900.




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    Good thing Chicago has strict gun laws (some of the strictest in the Nation)---they sure are working well!
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    From what I have read, Chicago and New York City both have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, and highest rates of homicides committed by guns. As a matter of fact, the State of Illinois has the highest percentage of homicides committed by guns, than any other state in the US. This is according to a 2011 FBI study.

    I fully understand that politicians need to be seen as doing something about gun violence, but the numbers always don't correlate. Strict gun laws do not automatically equal a low percentage of gun violence.

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    This is one of the worst threads I've seen on the site in a long time.

    David - you well know that there is no meaningful gun control in this country at this point. Your right wing and NRA have fought for the right to kill deer with 30 round clips filled with amour piercing bullets. Give me a break.

    Let's look to first world countries that have meaning gun control such as the UK and Austrailia. Wikipedia lists by deaths per 100,00 residents...
    • USA 10.2 deaths per 100,000
    • AU 1.05 per 100,000
    • UK 0.25 per 100,000

    Gun control works. Period. Fact. End of story. It might not sit well with the wackos on the way right and in the tea party but they are going to get thrown out in 2014 anyway.

    Gun control is coming. Get ready for it. Much like speed limits, its good for people and that's what government is there for .

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    Jerry,

    Does Chicago have one of the strongest gun control laws in the US? Yes or No. Until we change the attitudes of certain demographics (mainly poor people of all colors) to not solve problems with gun violence, all the gun control in the world isn't going to help. Criminals don't follow the law.

    Look at Britain, they've had an 89% increase in gun crimes in the last 10 years with some of the strictest gun control laws in the world: Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Mail Online

    The problem there is the same problem that's here--gang violence. It's one reason the statistics were so high in the late 80s when crack cocaine was so prevalent on the streets.
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    Dave; you just refuse to get it. The gun laws in this country (including NY & Chicago) DO NOT WORK AT ALL. That's why you gun nuts don't want to change ANYTHING, but it ALL needs to be completely changed. The day is coming. I'd like to know what you would say if your children had to come face to face with an assault weapon in the hands of someone like Adam Lanza. I am concerned about America, and frankly, I don't give a damn about whatever goes on in Britain. The only country that I care even less about is France. (they hate AMERICANS).
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    Jeff,

    Obama can't go around the Constitution. As American's, we have a right to keep and bear arms. What we need to do is squash gang violence and punish criminals to the fullest extent of the law. You want gun control? How about this. Commit a crime with a gun and you get the death penalty. I'm 100% for that. In fact, set up special "gun courts" where if you're convicted of a crime involving a gun, you get a speedy appeal and if you lose, straight to the electric chair, gas chamber, firing squad, or whatever "humane" death sentence is legal in the state and be done with it.

    Implement that law and you'll soon not have any issues with irresponsible gun use. Most of the deviants will be dead within five years, they won't be breeding new deviants, and the problem will eventually solve itself. Would you agree to that?
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    David: You cannot kill everyone for commiting a crime with any gun. You want to kill people who robbed a store? That's not a crime punishable by death (if they didn't shoot anyone). This suggestion of yours reminds me of when George W was Gov of Texas. He had a fast lane to the death penalty.(more then all other stated combined).

    There is no built in right to own assault weapons. This is not Iraq (at least it's not supposed to be). Based on your recommendation, we should create a new death penalty nationwide. Death in front of one nut with an assault weapon using a 100 clip magazine. (empty the clip) Nothing left but chopped liver. David: Other then the obvious flaws with your suggestion, this one makes more sense then all of your other suggestions ever. What do you think, Jerry?

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    Jeff,

    Obama can't go around the Constitution. As American's, we have a right to keep and bear arms. What we need to do is squash gang violence and punish criminals to the fullest extent of the law. You want gun control? How about this. Commit a crime with a gun and you get the death penalty. I'm 100% for that. In fact, set up special "gun courts" where if you're convicted of a crime involving a gun, you get a speedy appeal and if you lose, straight to the electric chair, gas chamber, firing squad, or whatever "humane" death sentence is legal in the state and be done with it.

    Implement that law and you'll soon not have any issues with irresponsible gun use. Most of the deviants will be dead within five years, they won't be breeding new deviants, and the problem will eventually solve itself. Would you agree to that?
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    Jeff,

    If you want to stop gun crimes completely, then this is the way to do it. Zero tolerance and the problem goes away. Ever wonder why Singapore has almost no crime to speak of? It's because the nip it in the bud and it stops deviants from behaving badly. We waste WAY too much money on prisons "reforming" people who will never be reformed. Ever wonder why recidivism rates are so damn high? It's because there are bad people in this world and if we get rid of murderers and rapists the first time the commit an offense, then they can't repeat their crimes nor do we have to pay billions of dollars to keep them in prison.
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    David: I'm not that far away with your suggestion, believe it or not. How could you get this legislation passed and how long would it take to get it done. I still feel, however, that eliminating assault weapons, large magazines, etc is still a must have. In addition, we must figure out a way to take control of people suffering with mental illness.

    We must do a much better job of recognizing who they are, their propensity to commit violent acts, put them where they really belong (a mental institution or prison). Try to rehabilitate them or kill them. Also, those who have a criminal record need to be a bigger priority to deal with. This also requires lots of psychiatrists, psychologists, police, etc. Make it illegal for children to obtain violent video games/movies. Come on now.
    David: do you believe that we actually agree on something?
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