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    To Be or Not to Be? The SACD?

    I am having real trouble with the term “obsolete.” Specifically, when it comes to predicting the fate of CD and SACDS.

    OED: That is no longer practiced or used; fallen into disuse; of a discarded type or fashion; disused, out of date….Worn out; One who or that which is out of date or has fallen into disuse.

    Some eople often use the term to mean something that can no longer be used, PERIOD: like a 1950’s TV set with an analog tuner. Or an eight track cassette. Or an Icebox from the 1920s. or a car that runs on leaded gas. Or a Slide rule. Yet they have, all my life used it as a pronouncement of fact, in spite of reality.

    Every home I have been to has a CD player, perhaps as part of their DVD system. Everyone I know has CDs. A few have SACD. No one is throwing those out. Many learned a lesson.

    I remember in the late 1980s a neighbor threw out their record player and a ton of records. I asked them why? “I got a CD player.” I don’t need the record player.”

    “Do you have the CD for every record you threw out?”

    “No, but I will.”

    “Why spend the money if you already have it.”

    “I got a CD player, you can’t have a record player.”

    That conversation really took place; he and others really felt that way. He felt morally obligated to get rid of his records, or he would not be “modern.” The concept that when something new came out, the “old thing” became worthless is something I don’t get. We still have turntables today.

    The people are predicting that CDs will be out of date, obsolete, worthless I think are wrong and I don’t get their strong opinion. Of course, we are in an era where new media players are introduced often. CD will be less of a seller, but they will still sell and be used.

    We can extrapolate anything into oblivion. If the birth rate keeps going down 2% a year, in 50 years there will be no children. There will be a time when the CD sales flatten out. After all, Vinyl is making a comeback. But we don’t look at a couple of things:

    Most music is bought by younger people, teens and people in their 20s. They are the most likely to latch onto a new format. First 45s, then cassettes, CDs and now digital music. This totally effects the statistics. But when they get older will they want a more permanent version of what they have?

    What the industry is NOT saying is that the fall of CD sales may have nothing to do with the format but with the fact there is little great new music out there. Just like movies, the music industry (owned by the same people) are not putting much out much that is new. Frank Sinatra and so many excited the 1940s, Rock and Roll and Elvis took over the 50s, the Beatles and their sound dominated the 1960s. Michael Jackson, Madonna and so many others dominated the 1970s. Disco even went over big???!!!!

    We have totally lost that.

    Nothing is making throw out our CDs (and SACDS) . And they won’t stop making them in our lifetimes. Sales will be down but obsolesces? Ask Burgess Meredith:
    The Twilight Zone Video - The Obsolete Man - CBS.com
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    Lefisc,

    While I will not throw out my CD's (they are all held in 'books' of 500 in my storage locker somewhere in Florida.....) or SACD's/DVD-A's, I suspect when I return to the USA I will not use physical media. Yes, I will keep a player for those who bring music over etc and will always need a Blu-ray player as I tend to rent movies as most are not worth owning.

    This coming from a guy who had the EMM Labs TSD1/DAC2 SE combo! Yes, I will use a solid USB DAC and server, might go with the new K-scape system if I could get enough storage for my Blu-rays. I have said for years that physical media is dead, and my experience here in New Zealand has shown me that yes, you can easily live without physical media (I have some 800 Gigs of music on my laptop (most completely uncompressed) and the ease of use is so welcome. Forget looking for the disc, scan your music library on your computer (or iPad) and play it! My friends love coming over to listen to tunes as they can pick anything they like from my collection simply by finding it on my iPad.

    The ability to access ALL your music from a simple, easy to use, interface is such a convenience, once you've set it up, you cannot go back.....

    Do I miss my EMM Labs transport and DAC? Hell yes! The combo was truly insanely good! That said, it is quirky, often drops signals (DAC) and while I never had any issues with mine, they are not known for their reliability.....

    I will keep my physical media, but I doubt I will use it again in the future.... I suspect it will be like my old pictures soon, they will have spent so much time in the closet they will be wet, moldy, or some other product of age and when it comes to it, I will throw them out. I did have a serious issue throwing out my old pictures as they are now gone, but old, wetted photos are worthless. When I have my physical media already on my hard drive in raw format, what will I care about throwing them, out? I suspect very little......

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    I don’t how to begin to respond to your post. I appreciate your point of view, but what you suggest is not in my world.

    The great CD player you mention, I believe is something like $80,000. My friends and I will be a little short this month on that.

    You wrote, “The ability to access ALL your music from a simple, easy to use, interface is such a convenience, once you've set it up, you cannot go back.....” But how many thousands does the K-scape cost? And a lot of people don’t have the skill or desire to set everything up like that. And when you discuss the K-scape, please realize that you MUST buy those darn CDs to use it, so that keeps the manufacturers and Amazon busy, so CD will always be with us. And to my knowledge it does not yet take Blu Rays.

    These devices will not soon be in any household I know. This will not be widespread.
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    The NEW K-Scape is around $3,000. Much less than the previous model.

    I was just about to post about the new model, but my bed calls. I'll post tomorrow.

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    Ken, if you do decide to unload your DVD-A and SACD collection, you have my number.

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    Tracy, you know more about this than I do. I see that the new player is $4000, but don't you have to also by an archive or something like that for $5,000?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefisc View Post
    Tracy, you know more about this than I do. I see that the new player is $4000, but don't you have to also by an archive or something like that for $5,000?
    I did a little more digging this morning before I posted about the new Cinema One.

    Yes, it retails for just under $4000 but may street for less. I haven't seen any real world pricing as of yet, but they are supposed to be out in Magnolia Design Centers soon.

    The Cinema One will store 100 Blu-rays or 600 DVDs. Blu-ray titles that are imported, like from a physical disc must have the disc in the optical drive for it to work. Any titles bought via the Cinema One, are immediately accessible at any time. It also seems that the disc in drive requirement does not apply to imported DVDs, at least not at this time.

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